Transcript 0:00 [on-hold music] Talk to me. Information, views and entertainment on demand. WUSradio.com [on-hold music] 0:14 Welcome to The Peggy Smedley Show, the voice of IoT in our connected world, with your host, Peggy Smedley. [on-hold music] Welcome back to The Peggy Smedley Show. I'm your host, Peggy Smedley. 0:26 My next guest is a frequent author, speaker, a multiple patent holder who was brought to Movimento in early twenty-fifteen to reinvent technology and strategy, leading a transformative era in which the company will help sh-shepherd the auto industry through the biggest changes since the Henry Ford days. 0:47 Please welcome Mubabu Alam, CTO and CMO of Movimento Group. Welcome, Mubabu. How are you? Uh, fine. Thank you. And thank you, Peggy, for a great introduction. Well, my pleasure. How you been? 1:03 It's been a while since we've talked last. Yeah, I know. It has been going great. I mean, the auto industry is, uh, is really the talk of the town. 1:12 It doesn't matter where you are, whether in Valley, Silicon Valley or anywhere else, you know, um, everybody sees and feels the, the changes and the, and the innovations that is coming into the automotive from connected cars to all this, uh, ADAS technology and sensors and all the electronic gadgets, and as it leads to an autonomous vehicle. 1:34 So it's a, it's a great, great place to be. Well, and I think that's what's great. 1:40 I think when we talked last, it was at CES, and we were talking about how security is important to, uh, the over-the-air, Movimento's over-the-air solution. 1:50 And, and, and I guess now I'd like our audience to hear why security is im-important to Movimento's over-the-air, uh, the OTA solution in general. So let's talk about that. Yeah, absolutely. 2:05 I mean, uh, first of all, just, uh, you know, it, it should not surprise anybody. Anytime you have a wireless technology, uh, which means basically you send the information in the ether, and anybody can snoop it. 2:19 So obviously security has been important in the wireless. Wireless cannot go without security. That's just the basic. 2:26 So whether you are, you are on Wi-Fi, whether you are having a cellular connection, whether you have a satellite connection, security is, is kind of two in a box. 2:35 A wireless, uh, does not work without security, um, at all. So that's, that's defini-definitely. Now, what makes automotive so interesting 2:45 and so critical, more than the obvious security that we are used to, payment security, enterprise level security, connectivity security that we have. 2:54 What makes automotive very interesting is because it do-- it's, it has something called safety of the human life. 3:01 And safety and s-- uh, safety of, of a life is a, of, of a, of a human being is, is the, is the highest level of security we can ever imagine. 3:10 It's, uh, you know, yes, you may have a, you know, uh, your, you know, we had retail, retail stores where your privacy or your, some of your, uh, credit card information has been stolen. Yes, it's bad. 3:24 It's a financial, uh, hit, a reputation hit. All those things are valid here, but it goes one level higher. It is, it is a very critical thing. 3:33 This is where our kids, uh, this is where we live and, and commute and drive and, uh, spend a good amount of time. 3:41 And we need to be absolutely hundred, hundred times and hundred percent of the time secure and, and feel secure and, and not feel that someone else can take control over our vehicle and do some mischief. 3:55 So from that perspective, doing, you know, additional level of security is absolutely necessary. Uh, with security comes complexity. So, you know, there's always a... 4:06 People who said there's always a trade-off between, uh, uh, security and complexity. But when it comes to the human safety, um, security takes very, uh, important role. 4:15 And, and with time, we will try to reduce the complexity, but we should not compromise with the security for the sake of complexity. Um, and so that's, that's, that's o-one area. 4:25 The other area is, of course, you want to, at the same time, maintain the privacy of the, of the individuals and, and all, of all the information that is in the vehicle as well from that security perspective. 4:38 So one is the accidental security, other is the information that, that the vehicle has about Peggy and how she drives and everything. How do you also protect those type of data security? So there's kind of two aspect. 4:49 Even though it may not harm you, but it, it may give away a lot of your, uh, private information as to your behavior and, and how you like to drive. 4:59 Do you think right now consumers are a little bit concerned that both the things you just descri-- our privacy and the security and what hackers can do is kind of delaying the ability to move forward? 5:13 Or are consumers saying, "No, I don't believe that hackers can hack my car and take control of my steering or my brakes?" Or are we getting past that fear of privacy and security? 5:25 Uh, because, you know, the Internet of things, you know, we all know is, is not necessarily a hundred percent secure. 5:31 We've already seen that, you know, when the bad guys are bad, they can do, you know, they can do really bad things. 5:37 Are, are we getting to a point where we as consumers say we understand that they can do bad things, but there's enough good things that we can do that kind of ward off the bad guys enough that we say we still wanna move forward with connected cars, autonomous vehicles, things like that? 5:54 That, that's a, uh, that's a g-excellent, uh, and a great, great question. I mean, this is probably top of mind of every consumer. They don't have to be an automotive expert, but they understand what it means. 6:06 I don't think the fear is gone.Uh, first of all, you, you articulated correctly, nothing in life is hundred percent. Almost hundred percent guarantee does not almost ex-exist, exist in anything. 6:18 But the question is, is it, um, is it a, um, manageable risk? It's all about, uh, can you, can you mi-mitigate, minimize all, all your threat and the risk exposure? So that's, that's a technology point of view. 6:32 But let's start from the consumer point of view. The consumers love, love what they are seeing in the car. They love the internet access. 6:41 They, they, you know, um, people who buy a new car don't talk about how much-- what's the horsepower of the vehicle. 6:47 They talk about what gadgets they have, you know, adaptive cruise control, um, uh, lidar, radar, all this automatic parking, um, active cruise controls and super cruise controls and all those things they talk about because it is adding, uh, direct benefits. 7:02 So they like to see that, uh, those, those things come because they, they, they enjoy those, uh, feature functionality. 7:09 At the same time, they are worried when you talk about, um, the safety and the privacy and knowing that it's connected to internet. 7:16 So what they have done to some extent is put a lot of faith into the, um, car OEM and onto the system, thinking that, um, even though they're concerned, but they know that this is, uh, this is irreversible. 7:29 It's a, it's a trend. We, you know, it's-- we cannot get away from, from our smartphone. And, uh, and, and, and, and a vehicle is much more than a smartphone because it's not only apps, but it also, um, 7:42 uh, has to do with a lot of the, um, uh, the adaptive or, or autonomous, uh, levels, that level two, level three that we are, uh, leading towards of autonomous vehicles. So people are-- people love technology. 7:55 They're, they're glued to it, but, uh, they don't like to be reminded. But if they think about it, they are, they are definitely scared. 8:01 So, uh, and the, and the, and, and the reason is we do not have a organization, a governmental organization or, or any organization, whether it's, uh, whether it's governmental or separately, which has a certification of saying, "Hey, you have, you have this level of security." 8:18 So you have to now look at the TV and watch the TV and look at the ad and trust the ad of the OEM and say, "Oh, I think they, you know, they, they have a great ad, and they are telling me all the great things, so I trust them." 8:30 So it's, it's really, um, um, left out over there. 8:35 If you, if you compare that to many other industry, uh, you know, if you look at in Wi-Fi or LG or, uh, three G, four G and other areas, there are, there are security certificates and standards that are put in place. 8:48 We do not have certain or something like that. So I think the security for automotive and the cybersecurity, uh, discipline in the automotive still has to catch up and has to come up with some recommendation. 8:58 It will not be perfect, but it h- we have to iterate quickly and learn, but we have to come up with this, uh, um, system of, of providing a neutral and independent, um, certificate by saying, you know, "You have this level of security." 9:14 Because honestly, I don't know how, how would you know what is the level of security between car automaker one, A, and automaker B, and automaker C? There's no way to, to validate what you have. 9:27 So for the concern- So do you think in the security side- Yes, go ahead. Well, do you think like, you know, car-- automotive industry had a CAN bus, and it was a common thing that they did. 9:36 Do you think that the automotive industry could do something like that on the security side? Uh, absolutely. 9:42 I mean, there is a already pathway towards, uh, um, uh, T- uh, TSN, Time-Sensitive Network, which is an auto Ethernet, uh, Ethernet-based architecture. 9:52 So with Ethernet-based ar-architecture, not only you have the, the ability to have a bandwidth of, of within the internal network of the vehicle to go into, you know, one, one gigabit per second to ten gigabit to hundred gigabit per second speed. 10:06 But with the speed also you can do encapsulation, you can do encryption communication between the modules. 10:12 See, when the, when the auto, car was created, the in-vehicle network of the, of the, of the car, there is a some inherent trust. They don't really mutually authenticate each other. 10:23 If you somehow enter the vehicle network, then the other, other module, uh, the, the security checks are very basics. 10:32 And they don't-- there is no something called, "I don't trust you," so which we call mutually authenticating each other. We don't have that system because it was not designed that way. 10:43 Uh, so when you get more of an, uh, Ethernet, which is basically an IP, Internet Protocol type of technology into the vehicle, um, with a TSM, Time-Sensitive Network, which means the delay and the jitter and the guarantees are there, the package will be delivered hundred percent of the time and, um, uh, which is not the case in the Ethernet today. 11:03 So, um, so when those things, uh, play-- come into the vehicle, which is driven by the IEEE standard, um, then what you'll have is you'll have much more encryption and, and, and different security key managements will come into place. 11:17 So the, the concept of multiple key management, um, uh, will, will play a very important and a revocation list certificate. So it will become really very much like an, 11:30 uh, super computer, uh, with on, uh, with the deterministic network on wheels. That's the future of the auto-automotive. So- Mabu, we're out, we're out of time. 11:40 We're out of time, but will you come back, and we can continue our conversation another day? Absolutely, Peggy. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you. All right. Listeners, we're out of time, but stick around. 11:50 We've got more to talk about right here on "The Peggy Smith- Smedley Show," with great technology comes great responsibility. We'll be right back. [instrumental music] Thank you for listening to WS Radio. 12:03 Improve your business and your life with useful information from experts and thought leaders. 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