Transcript 0:00 [on-hold music] Talk to me. Information, news and entertainment on demand. WSRadio.com [upbeat music] 0:13 Welcome to The Peggy Smedley Show, the voice of IoT in our connected world with your host, Peggy Smedley. [upbeat music] Hello, listeners, and welcome back to The Peggy Smedley Show. 0:27 My next guest has proven himself to be a veteran business leader and investor in technology companies related to the semiconductor and computing spaces with a current focus on a rise for electric vehicles. 0:40 So please join me in welcoming Michael Moh, CEO and co-founder of Cooler Technology. Michael, welcome to the show. Thank you very much, Peggy. 0:53 So Michael, let's talk about this carbon fiber cooling and, and why it's an improvement to all the things we've been doing. 1:00 I was up on the site, and I was kind of checking it out, and it's really kind of interesting because you guys have a passion for 1:08 kind of changing the way we think about things and kind of making things, I guess, cool, right? [laughs] I guess that's a great way of saying it. [laughs] So let's talk about that. Well, great. Thank you. Um, yeah. 1:20 We started Cooler, um, to establish as a thermal management platform company for, um, really cooling everything from electrical vehicles to IoT devices based on our proprietary carbon fiber technology. 1:36 Um, and this technology is based on over thirty years of experience, uh, working with the likes of NASA, JPL, uh, Boeing on some of the most challenging, uh, space, um, thermal management problems. 1:50 Um, so now our technology has been used on, uh, the likes of, uh, um, Neutron Star Interior Composition Explorer, or they call it NICER. It's on the International Space Station right now. 2:02 Uh, our thermal solution has been on Mars, a Mercury Messenger and on Venus. 2:08 So, um, we, we, we wanna take this technology and we take technology to, uh, solving the thermal management problem for the emerging, uh, ele-- what we, uh, what we call the electrification of transportation problems. 2:22 Um, uh, so that's really with battery, with the autonomous driving, um, with all the electronics that go into all these e-- uh, the whole electrification of transportation. EV and hybrid vehicles being one. 2:35 Uh, yeah, we also see electric bikes, electric motorcycles, um, also on the, on the water with electric, um, uh, you know, you know, battery-powered ferry boats as well as going up the air, the electric planes. 2:49 So the, so the space is absolutely enormous. Now, the concept behind this and, and you know, I'm-- to make sure I understand, you're eliminating like aluminum and copper-based kind of heat spreaders, right? 3:02 And exchangers. Am I... Is that kind of the premise of this? Is that what we're kind of understanding? Is that... 3:08 'Cause that's where you're getting all this heat and things that kind of create where you're overheating, like in your laptop. So someone listening is trying to understand where the bigger problem's kind of occurring. 3:17 Is that kind of... Am I getting this right? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, so you talked about the laptops. 3:24 That's the portable, uh, computing space where, you know, traditionally you've been using, uh, aluminum and copper to cool things down or to spread the heat out, um, then we're, we're, uh, replacing that with carbon fiber solutions, uh, where it's much lighter, it's higher efficiency in terms of, uh, heat transfer, um, and it requires, uh, lower mechanical stress on the components to make it work. 3:50 So all those things are, uh, kinda like our slogan says, to keep your electronics cooler, lighter, and safer. 3:57 Um, uh, I think for the, for the, uh, for the electrical vehicle market as we were talking about or the, you know, the battery, keep it cooler and lighter. 4:05 Um, we w- we worked with, um, NASA Johnson, uh, Space Control over the last two years to develop a unique, uh, technology to keep lithium-ion battery from, uh, blowing up. 4:18 Um, you know, the thermal runaway problem is, um, uh, has been kind of visible in the, uh, in the news with the hoverboard and the s-- you know, the Samsung phones and et cetera. So we solved that problem with NASA. 4:29 Uh, they were using aluminum as the, uh, uh, um, as the heat sink for the battery, and we replaced that with carbon fiber technology, and that's been very ef-- uh, effective for them. 4:42 Does this also have to do with when you have that, now you're talking about contour and shape and things like this, because as we get these devices and I think about the Internet of things and we have so many things that use battery, and we talk about the space- Mm-hmm. 4:54 -because things are getting smaller. Are, are we also- Mm-hmm. -needing that to think about those kind of things? Because that's what comes to mind when I think about when you're talking a little bit. Right. Right. 5:05 Yeah, internet, uh, Internet of Things or the IoT space is absolutely, um, uh, gonna be in a-- one of the largest, uh, uh, market segments, uh, going forward. 5:17 Um, uh, I think that SoftBank, uh, has a vision of something like a trillion IoT devices by twenty thirty, um, a-around the world. 5:27 Um, and so, so that's a lot of devices and all of them are connected, all of them are, uh, uh, small, all of them-- uh, most of them are embedded, and they're constantly on to communicate. 5:39 So when you have that, uh, you want, uh, energy efficiency in, um, managing their operation and in their communication. 5:47 So in those cases, you, you, you know, you want something that's as light, as flexible, contoured to the shape of the device, um, and, uh, a-and put as little mechanical stress on the parts as possible. 6:02 That's what we offer, right? Um, our carbon fiber technology is light.It's very soft, it contours to the shape of your heat, heat source and your device, and then, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, very energy efficient. 6:16 So when we look at these things, what's ultimately the plan for Kulr? 6:21 When you look at your plans as a company, is it to kinda make this so that you've got the best thermal management technology that you're describing, that's what you wanna be? 6:31 I mean, what ultimately are you trying to say, "This is what Kulr's going to be. It's going to be this type of company." 'Cause it sounds like you're, you're serving a lot. 6:40 You're serving NASA, you're serving EVs, you're serving the IoT, and they all kind of in some way interconnect in their own- Right. -ways. But what ultimately do you see, you know, you-- the market you serving? Right. 6:55 Um, well, that's a great question. Um, uh, we, we, we utilize a common what, what, what I call it, uh, um, common architecture platform. 7:04 The common, common, you know, the carbon fiber structure is the architecture platform. 7:09 And then, uh, we develop multiple, um, applications, uh, on top of that to serve the battery world, the, you know, the chip world, um, and, uh, and other, you know, the laser optical communication world with the laser. 7:23 Um, so, um, for, for each one of those applications, um, you have multiple markets that can go into. Ultimately, uh, we position, uh, Kulr as a thermal management platform company. 7:36 Um, it has this cutting-edge technology, and then it, uh, it offers total solutions to these multiple markets and these applications that we serve, and it become a full service platform company, right? 7:51 We, we offer the technology, we offer the product based on the technology, and we also work very closely with the customer to help them to design, simulate, test, and analyze their thermal management and the mechanical, um, uh, challenges in their designs. 8:10 As the things get smaller, more compact, uh, uh, more flexible, more agile, those mechanical and thermal challenges become, sometimes become actually the driving force of the design, and then whereas the chip and software become actually the kind of the second, you know, the second, um, uh, uh, considerations. 8:32 Your power budget and your thermal needs and your mechanical stress become the primary driver of your design. So being a thermal platform company that offer these design services and a total solution to the customer, 8:46 uh, we're, you know, so we're seeing that that's really gaining a lot of traction with our customers. So ultimately, that position us as a full service thermal management platform company. 8:58 Um, I think that's, um, the most, um, valuable service that you offer the customer and therefore create the most value for our shareholders, um- So- -to be a thermal management platform company. 9:10 Um- So Michael, as I, as I hear you talking, I guess for all these companies that are packing so much in these consolidated devices, you know, they're getting smaller, more packing so much. 9:21 I mean, is ultimately what you guys wanna do is, is help so these things aren't exploding. I mean, I think of the EVs that were exploding. I think about, like you said, the Samsung phones. 9:31 I think about as we get smaller and they get hotter and things become more, uh, of a challenge. I mean, ultimately what you wanna do is say, "Look, we want to be able to help so those things don't happen. 9:42 We want to prevent, so we don't have these catastrophic issues with these devices that we're bringing so many of them to the market that are all connecting ultimately, so we don't have these exploding markets," so to speak. 9:57 Yeah. Exple-- [laughs] It's literally and figuratively, right? Right. The exploding markets. Yeah. Um, yeah. So you, so you have, you know, you have these... 10:06 You know, like you said, Peggy, um, you have all these devices packing so much processing power into smaller, more flexible and more agile packages. 10:17 So because everybody's looking for something that's lighter and smaller and processing faster, right? Uh, no-nobody's looking for anything bulkier and slower and all that stuff. 10:25 So, so, so you have the faster processing chips to, to, to process the information, the video, the audio, um, that's coming in. Yeah. 10:38 Um, and then, then you have the increase in, uh, energy density in the, in the battery that's used in these devices, [clears throat] because you want them to process faster, uh, and, and you want to make them, uh, last longer. 10:52 And then, then you, you pack all that stuff, uh, into a smaller package, and that creates incredible amount of challenge, uh, uh, for, you know, all these hardware companies and, and, uh, and, and all that. 11:04 So we want to create, um... Our plan is to create, um, the most optimum thermally and mechanically designed for these, um, IoT and these electrification of the transportation markets, right? 11:20 Um- Well, Mi- -to make them efficient, to, to keep them safe, and to keep them lightweight. Michael, we're out of time, but quickly, what's your URL so our listeners can go up and learn more about you guys? 11:30 Uh, yes, it's kulrtechnology.com. K-U-L-R technology.com, all in one word. Michael, thank you so much for being with us, and I wish you continued success. Thank you very much, Peggy. Thank you for the opportunity. 11:45 All right. Thank you. All right, listeners, we're out of time, but stick around, we'll be right back after this commercial break. And in the meantime, feel free to tweet at us. 11:52 And this is The Peggy Smith Show, The Voice of IoT. Remember, with great technology comes great responsibility. [upbeat music] Signal to noise, an electronic term with new relevance on the internet. 12:05 Connected World Media cuts through the noise of data overload and finds you the signal of important information. 12:11 Information that will keep you current and aware of context in the Internet of Things.Peggy Smedley shares her insights on The Peggy Smedley Show and in Connected World magazine, all online at connectedworld.com. 12:24 Stay current and competitive at connectedworld.com. [upbeat music] Thank you for listening to WS Radio. 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